2DTH

Rolling two dice and taking the highest (2DTH from here on) is one of my favorite recent discoveries. I never saw this back in my Second Edition days. The first place I came across it was probably at Grognardia, perhaps one of the Dwimmermount session reports. I would be interested in knowing the ultimate provenance though. Is 2DTH a recent innovation, or can it be found in any of the classic writings? Philotomy has a similar rule in his OD&D musings, so maybe that is where it came from.

I like 2DTH so much because it allows you to skew probabilities in a particular direction without introducing bonuses or eliminating any possibilities. Also, though you are literally rolling more dice, it still feels like a single roll, and thus does not seem to bog pacing down as something like an additional attack roll might. Other editions have addressed similar problems by adding bonuses (the Third Edition family and Second Edition to a slightly lesser degree) or eliminating randomness altogether (such as HP in Fourth Edition).

Places where I think this mechanic is appropriate:

  • Damage: two-handed weapons or dual-wielding
  • First level HP

I’m sure there are many more as well.

The d4 is the simplest interesting case (the curve shift is not as obvious with a d2).


2d4 Take Highest
1 2 3 4
1 1 2 3 4
2 2 2 3 4
3 3 3 3 4
4 4 4 4 4


This gives the following probabilities:

  • 7 in 16 chance of a 4 (~ 44%)
  • 5 in 16 chance of a 3 (~ 31%)
  • 3 in 16 chance of a 2 (~ 19%)
  • 1 in 16 chance of a 1 (~ 6%)

Obviously, two dice take lowest (2DTL) can also be used to skew the probability curve in the other direction, though I have found less use for this. Perhaps for situational modifiers.

6 thoughts on “2DTH

  1. Talysman

    I’ve seen it in the same places that you have, as well as 2DTL, but don’t recall seeing either anywhere before the current millennium. i usually see it in connection with daggers doing 2DTL and two-hand weapons doing 2DTH.

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  2. faoladh

    My current thinking on HP (for S&W:WB) is that, since HD are re-rolled at each level increase, then all characters roll 1 HD for 0 level and 1 HD (or 1+1 for Fighting Men) for 1st level, taking the higher of the two. I want to use 2DTH for weapons that do 1+1 in S&W:WB, 2DTL for those that do 1-1. For dual-wielding, I’d give a +1 to hit. That gives players a range of options: heavy weapons for damage, shield for defense, dual-wield for offense. Light weapons are mainly for situations in which regular or heavy weapons are inappropriate.

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  3. Brendan

    @faoladh

    I’ve become very leery of bonuses, but that is a nice breakdown between dual-wielding, two-handed weapons, and shield-use. I was leaning towards treating dual-wielding and two-handed weapons mechanically the same, but now I’m considering your scheme as well.

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